I finished one book recently:

Are We Smart Enough to Know How Smart Animals Are? by Frans de Waals. This is an overview of animal cognition--both the subject and some history of the field, by someone who has made it his life's work. A key point here is that animals other than humans--and especially other than primates--have different problems to solve, and different tools with which to do it. For example, humans, chimpanzees, and some kinds of wasps can recognize/distinguish other members of their own species; kittiwakes, a kind of seabird that don't care for their young, don't have or need it.

de Waal points out that sometimes animals look stupid because they evolved to solve different problems than we did, and sometimes it's because scientists have used the wrong tests. So, researchers thought humans can recognize chimpanzees and chimps couldn't, because chimps didn't distinguish *human* faces; meanwhile, most of us can't tell one chimp from another.

Another recurring theme is the moving line of "this is the very important thing that humans can do and animals, sometimes by redefining things like "culture" or "tool use" to exclude what non-human animals have been observed/proven to do.

The author also wonders what "how smart is an octopus?" even means, and how/if we can approach the question in animals with decemtralized nervous systems and no parental care or other social interactions with other members.

This was a fun read, mostly narrative and much of it about the author's own research, focusing on chimpanzees and corvids.
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From: [personal profile] ritaxis


I've long thought that when people ask "how smart is this animal?" what they really mean is "how much does this animal resemble me in its thought processes?"

It's interesting to finally read about somebody who asks a different set of questions.
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And I've argued for 40 years that horses, as well as other animals, "talk", we just need to listen. No they don't use human speech, we don't use horse speech either!
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From: [personal profile] green_knight


<glares in elder mare>

Turns out that horses actually DO read human expressions, even when it's a photograph. 'Horse speech' is less sounds than body language, so most horse people speak a little of that language. We just don't do it well.

(I noticed at some point that I greet horses in tone that resembles a friendly grumble...)
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From: [personal profile] ranunculus


Often horses are way better at human than humans are at horse. I've been very encouraged and happy to see the so called "natural horsemanship" movement come along and teach lots of people better communication with horses.
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From: [personal profile] kaberett


Oooh, this sounds great. Thank you for the write-up!
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From: [personal profile] green_knight


Sounds interesting! For a long time, researchers thought horses were less intelligent than dogs or cats, because a standard experiment was 'where is the food hidden' and horses, being grazing animals that basically eat all day tend to check all potential food sources just in case. (Hungry horses can get frazzled and upset, while sated horses might not be food oriented, so how *do* you set up experiments?)
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That's exactly what any group testing "animal intelligence" needs to ask!

Just because they don't think along human-normal lines doesn't mean they don't have smarts.

(Though I have a cat that eats plastic, so....I suppose it's all "relative values of...")
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I think because for the most part, you can verbally reason with a child - eventually.

Doesn't mean I don't keep TELLING the cat that plastic is bad for her, though...
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