I can't tell you much about Wiscon, beyond "what I did in Madison this weekend," because I went to almost no programming that I wasn't part of: half a panel, and part of Eleanor Arnason's reading. (I was on two panels, and I'm counting the GoH speeches and Tiptree Award ceremony as one event.)

This is at least partly because I was feeling oddly detached and wistful--missing not only [livejournal.com profile] cattitude but people who I wouldn't have seen that weekend anyhow--for much of the weekend. I overcame that in part by an act of will, aided by [livejournal.com profile] maryread's calligraphy: Friday afternoon at the Gathering [1] she was writing words on people's bodies. After a few minutes' thought, I asked her to write "Gathering" on me, thinking of it as gathering/hunting rather than as people getting together (or maybe a bit of both). Sunday morning, dithering about whether I wanted an [livejournal.com profile] elisem bracelet, I realized that I had the word gathering on my arm, but had spent the weekend finding reasons not to take things. So I spent my jewelry credit (barter for Lush soap and bubble bath) and some cash, and wore the bracelet for the rest of the day. In doing so, I discovered that although it's been a few years since I wore one, my subconscious firmly believes that that sort of weight on my left wrist must be a watch. No matter how often I looked, it remained a quarter to pearl. (I also wore it home, because I had no safe way to pack it.)

The Tiptree ceremony did a lot more to lift my mood. I'd more-or-less forgotten that, as part of the ceremony, the judges are recognized and thanked for their hard work. (Had I remembered, I might not have changed into shorts beforehand--which would have been just as well, because the ballroom was a lot cooler than the party floor.) Even if I'd remembered, I doubt I would have expected just how good it would feel to get that thank-you, and applause from a roomful of people, a mix of good friends, acquaintances, and strangers. (Actual attendance this year was about 760.) Internal validation may be necessary in the long term, but external is good too. I knew I'd done a valuable thing by being a Tiptree judge, but it was good being reminded that lots of other people also know. I suspect, though, that if I hadn't already lifted my mood, even the applause and the Tiptree Award pin wouldn't have kept me up for long. As was, I was accused of being unreasonably cheerful in the con suite Monday morning.

Good dinner Saturday night with [livejournal.com profile] rdkeir (aka Egon) and his partner Lucy (WINOLJ), because she and I had been talking in the con suite and bratwurst led to Himalayan food and more good conversation. Egon and I had a long talk in the con suite the following night, about communication and communication styles and relationships and assorted other things. He complimented me for asking, straightforwardly, for things; I noted that the things in question were fairly small. The first was that, having said that I wanted to keep our Saturday dinner group small, when we ran into five people he knew on our way out [2] I reminded him that I didn't want more than six, and it remained a threesome; the other thing was suggesting that he and I go sit down to talk instead of continuing to stand near the doorway of the LJ party. I do agree that asking for things you want is important; even well-intentioned friends and family won't always guess right. But "let's sit down" doesn't seem noteworthy; some of this may be the difference between what he described as a particular style of midwestern desire not to be seen as pushy and my New York upbringing. Egon also said that I don't write much about [livejournal.com profile] cattitude, which surprised me. What I think it is, is that I'll discuss what we do, or what Cattitude says, but I no more stop to describe him than a fish needs to tell other fish what water is like, even if it's observing currents or temperatures or air bubbles.

Elise's haiku earring party was fun, as usual. I helped her with set-up, and kept an eye on the snacks while I was there. (I wandered in and out all evening.) I also played model: she has made a few mock-ups of the laminated cards that will make up the haiku earring chapbook, select-your-own and wear them on a cord. One of those was my haiku from last year, which she gave me while we were setting up for the party; after the card and cord got tangled with my badge and its cord, I tied it to a belt loop. By sheer good luck, I was wearing that pair of earrings ("Comfortable Vices"). I find that I like the haiku more after seeing it printed up neatly on lavender paper. Elise keeps telling people that the earring haiku don't have to be good, but that's her rule, not mine.

There were quite a few people I didn't get to spend as much time with as I'd hoped, including [livejournal.com profile] brisingamen (I sort of assumed we'd be talking in the mornings at Michelangelo's, as usual, but she and [livejournal.com profile] peake spent breakfasts catching up on reading relevant to panels they were on) and [livejournal.com profile] wild_irises (though I expected that, because so many people want her time at Wiscon).

I'm very pleased with how much time I spent with [livejournal.com profile] truepenny, including a very pleasant dinner Sunday with her and [livejournal.com profile] matocioquala: they talked about writing in a way, and on levels, that I found interesting, enough so that I told Matocioquala not to apologize for talking about her work. After dinner, we walked over to the Memorial Union for ice cream: orange custard chocolate chip, every bit as good as I remembered from last year, again eaten on the terrace though it was cool and overcast this year. Ice cream at the Union is sufficient reason not to buy a dessert ticket (and not just because it's a fifth the price).

Although Set This House in Order was not my first choice for the Tiptree Award, during Matt Ruff's speech, when he said that at the Nebula ceremony this year, several people told him that they were going to read the book because it had won the Tiptree, I thought "We've done our job." The reason for the award, after all, is to draw attention to gender-bending sf and fantasy. (I may do a separate post about the award, panel thereon, and related matters. Or not.) John Kessel, one of last year's winners, was also at the con: he wore the tiara much of the weekend, and at the ceremony, his ten-year-old daughter Emilyma solemnly removed it from his head and put it on Matt Ruff's.

I'm still extremely fuzzy: staying up until 3 with Egon and [livejournal.com profile] bibliofile and [livejournal.com profile] ala_too and other people would probably have been okay by itself, but I slept badly (waking repeatedly) the previous two nights, and the weather in Chicago yesterday was such that instead of landing at LaGuardia at 5:30 p.m., I landed at 10:30. I suspect I'll be behind on both sleep and communication with anyone except Cattitude and my co-workers for at least another day or two.

Probably the oddest, for me, thing I did all weekend--something that has much stronger "I don't do that" than wearing bracelets--was flirting with [livejournal.com profile] lcohen. This started when she commented that she'd gotten a soft new blouse from Ellen and Delia at the Gathering (they set up with lots of interesting used garments and find people to match them to; last year, I got a long tunic/flowing dress in shades of blue and purple), and I stroked it, and thus her arm. I also (then and later on in the con) played with her hair, and similar things; I would normally class this as friendly cuddling, but the conversation felt more like flirting. I don't usually flirt, for two reasons: one is that it's the wrong kind of ambiguity for me, the other that I don't really know how. In this case, I was reasonably sure that if Lisa wanted to do more than let me play with her hair, she'd tell me, so I didn't mind the ambiguity. And since I wasn't trying to flirt--I didn't, in fact, label it as such until afterwards, when Wild_Irises said she'd been flirting with someone--it didn't matter that I don't know how.

[livejournal.com profile] polyfrog and I are fine roommates; in addition to the basic compatibilities I sorted out up front, it turns out that we share a preference for a cool room to sleep in. The potential third roommate, Angeli (who may be on LJ, for all I know--she's a friend of a friend of Polyfrog's), neither turned up nor emailed either of us. *grumble*

Having not met [livejournal.com profile] alexanderjasper in three months here in Manhattan, I finally saw him--and saw [livejournal.com profile] porcinea for the first time since before he was born--on Saturday.

[There's no particular reason for the organization of the above thoughts, nor are they complete.]

[1] An odd combination of fair and socializing
[2] I try to avoid dinner parties larger than six, though a seven worked reasonably well Friday night.
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From: [identity profile] cattitude.livejournal.com


Egon also said that I don't write much about cattitude, which surprised me. What I think it is, is that I'll discuss what we do, or what Cattitude says, but I no more stop to describe him than a fish needs to tell other fish what water is like, even if it's observing currents or temperatures or air bubbles.

Bloop.

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From: [identity profile] pir-anha.livejournal.com

tiptree


that award is very solid, and i make an effort to read the shortlisted works. so yeah, the judges are doing a great job IMO.

From: [identity profile] pnh.livejournal.com


"What I think it is, is that I'll discuss what we do, or what Cattitude says, but I no more stop to describe him than a fish needs to tell other fish what water is like, even if it's observing currents or temperatures or air bubbles."

Lovely. Right. Just so.

From: [identity profile] nolly.livejournal.com


I do wish Wiscon and Baycon weren't always the same weekend. There are so many friends I rarely, if ever, see in the flesh outside Baycon, with new ones every year, yet I'd love to try Wiscon, too.

Is it alright to ask questions about the Tiptree award selection, of the curiosity sort, not the casting-aspersions sort? Is there another place that would be good for that? (Mainly, I'm curious what, in the probably-diverse opinions of those judging, made the winner SF/F. It was a fine book, and I do not begrudge it the award, and it certainly did interesting things with gender, yet it did not taste of SF or fantasy to me. I am happy to see it win, and happy to see Matt Ruff get more publicity, for I have enjoyed all his books. And I shall now stop, for this is an excessively long parenthetical, which can be excused only by the fact that I was at a con all weekend and am now in the midst of moving house.)

From: [identity profile] ala-too.livejournal.com


"I do wish Wiscon and Baycon weren't always the same weekend. There are so many friends I rarely, if ever, see in the flesh outside Baycon, with new ones every year, yet I'd love to try Wiscon, too."

I'm the opposite. This is a perfect example of two conventions I'm happy to see opposite each other. Pretty much everyone I'd want to see (all handful) who attended BayCon come to WisCon now. There are one or two holdouts but they are locals I could easily see otherwise. None of the peoiple from outside the area really.

I still remember my first BayCon when the GoH, Mike Glyer, and I wandered around wondering where the convention had gone too. I never have that problem at WisCon. More than that I've gotten to meet a whole new set of people whom I'd not have had the chance to know.

From: [identity profile] nolly.livejournal.com


I intended to get back to this sooner; life has been excessively chaotic.

What is it you don't like about Baycon? I mean, I don't think it's the con all others should strive to imitate or anything, and I won't staff it because I don't like they way certain things are handled, but I always enjoy it, and I do get to see a lot of people there that I either only see at Baycon, or just don't see very often.

From: [identity profile] ala-too.livejournal.com


"What is it you don't like about Baycon? I mean, I don't think it's the con all others should strive to imitate or anything, and I won't staff it because I don't like they way certain things are handled, but I always enjoy it, and I do get to see a lot of people there that I either only see at Baycon, or just don't see very often."

Have a few years? It's probably telling that something like 25%+ of WisCon attendees are from the Bay Area. Yet they have to go 2,000 miles with inconvenient air connections to get there.

Perhaps the core comment could come down to there is nothing that pulls me to or keeps me at a BayCon. In all my years of attending I only once found a reason to stay past 11 PM (this from a night person who never went to bed before 3 AM at WisCon).

I can only think of one panel that was worth attending. Interesting people to speak to? Well I had the odd interesting conversation in the bar...usually with folks I'd be able to see at the local fannish group. I only attended as long as I did because it was very local.

I've heard these comments time and again from local people. Yet when Potlatch or Corflu come to the Bay Area we have no trouble putting on a great con. It's a different set of people and expectations.

From: [identity profile] rdkeir.livejournal.com


I'm glad you ran into Lucy, and that dinner and conversation followed as a result. Lucy is more extroverted than I am, and is often the first bridge between me and other people.

Perhaps one reason I perceive you talking less about [livejournal.com profile] cattitude than you might is that I struggle with feelings that I ought to talk about my partner more than I do; a fear that, if I talk of others more than of Lucy, someone will think that I do not care "properly" for her.

You are right that being clear about how many people you can handle, or that you really need to sit down, are small requests. Still, growing up I knew too many people who either couldn't express their needs, or didn't understand themselves to recognize their needs, or (worst of all) knew, and therefore expected everyone else to just know what they wanted, as though ESP was something everyone was expected to have. I also know at least a couple of women who were taught growing up that having needs was somehow unladylike. It drives me nuts - someone who says what they want, and means it, is so much easier to deal with than someone who just says "I'm fine", or "whatever you want to do" or similar non-answers.

From: [identity profile] roadnotes.livejournal.com


"...I struggle with feelings that I ought to talk about my partner more than I do; a fear that, if I talk of others more than of Lucy, someone will think that I do not care 'properly' for her."

Thing is, some times, some people need to talk more about their partners, needing to put things into words, or describe certain aspects of them and the relationships. If you look at my early posts here, I do a lot of describing Soren -- what he looked like, what we did together, how amazed I am that he's in my life; now I don't describe him or talk about him all the time, though I feel the same way. (I do write about him a lot in my paper soul, though.)

It's almost, I think, as if I assume that you can see him near me all the time: one head, two arms, two legs, one Soren with his hand on my arm, smiling....

From: [identity profile] ala-too.livejournal.com


I've wished for more comments about Cattitude but not Lucy. Much as I'd like to hear about both of them, somehow I feel I know more of what is going on with Lucy. I'm not really sure why this is and never really did the comparison until now. It's not a competition, after all. So my request is that both of you talk more about your partners. Enquiring minds want to know :)

As for caring about Lucy, RdKeir, I have never doubted that you very much care for her, either in person or in writing. While you aren't as demonstrably public as some, it's utterly clear when talking to either of you how much you care for and love each other. I'm looking forward to the detailed story of the object you acquired and how it went (said mysteriously since I'm not sure if it's been played with yet).

From: [identity profile] calimac.livejournal.com


I didn't know you were a Tiptree judge. I is very impressed.

I was asked one year, but declined regretfully. My sf reading has dwindled to a trickle. I couldn't absorb all the nominees, nor judge them in the context of other current literature fairly. Not To Read The Stuff Any More -- That Is The Law.

From: [identity profile] pantryslut.livejournal.com


Random comments.

I didn't know they sold ice cream at the Memorial Union! Usually we get our Sunday night dessert at the Chocolate Coyote, but that's closed now. So it's good to know of an alternative.

Set This House In order was not my first choice, either, but after Ruff's speech, I felt completely like we'd done the right thing. And not only that, but unleashed a great deal of good upon the world. That was a very good feeling.

I thought John Kessel's daughter's name was Emma.

From: [identity profile] ala-too.livejournal.com


"I'm still extremely fuzzy: staying up until 3 with Egon and [info]bibliofile and [info]ala_too and other people would probably have been okay by itself, but I slept badly (waking repeatedly) the previous two nights, and the weather in Chicago yesterday was such that instead of landing at LaGuardia at 5:30 p.m., I landed at 10:30. I suspect I'll be behind on both sleep and communication with anyone except Cattitude and my co-workers for at least another day or two."

I'm glad to be such a bad influence :-) I enjoyed our chat too. I was amazed how awake I was on Monday for my (ugh!) 10 AM panel given the distinct lack of sleep. I hope I made some sense.

Oddly, while O'Hare had problems, my Midway connection seemed to have none. We were 10 minutes late getting in which gave me enough time to walk up to the connecting gate just as they called boarding (thank goodness Midway is a small airport).
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From: [personal profile] lcohen


*grin*

for someone who doesn't know how to flirt, i think you've got the hang of it!

i'm definitely someone who flirts and i love being petted if it's someone i like so i was enjoying it. i'd hope if something i was doing or saying made you uncomfortable, you'd let me know. i tend to assume most flirting is without intent at least at the level of flirting that we were doing.

*hug*
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From: [personal profile] lcohen


i'd certainly have felt comfortable asking you to stop. i think that i'm not much of a petter in general--i'm a hugger and such, but not a petter, per se. (there are probably exceptions to this, of course.)

we're in the same place with different reactions--i flirt no matter whether i know if it's courtship behaviour or not. i flirt whether i am available or not, whether the flirtee is available or not--for me, flirting eases social situations and i'm intensely shy so anything that makes those situations easier works for me.
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