What would be implied by a person or culture (possibly, but not necessarily, one of the Fair Folk) addressing people as "Daughter of Adam" and "Son of Eve"?
Don't forget Seth, the good son who brought flowers and take-out and who everyone forgets about because he isn't exciting.
And Lewis does go there, the White Witch was a daughter of Adam by his first wife, Lilith, on her mother's side, IIRC, at least in LWW, if not in her Charn incarnation in the retcon in tMN.
I think the address would provide a triangulation point for a culture. You'd need the others to know what it was doing precisely, but it would certainly imply a raftload of things about religion, gender issues, gender inheritance customs...
And Lewis does go there, the White Witch was a daughter of Adam by his first wife, Lilith, on her mother's side, IIRC, at least in LWW, if not in her Charn incarnation in the retcon in tMN.
Okay, yes, good point, I was forgetting that about the White Witch's spurious claim as a Daughter of Adam.
There's something weird in there somewhere about why being a Daughter of Adam (the White Witch) is bad and being a Son of Adam (Peter, Edmund) is good, but I have a head cold and feel dreadful and can't articulate it.
There's something weird in there somewhere about why being a Daughter of Adam (the White Witch) is bad and being a Son of Adam (Peter, Edmund) is good...
Actually, in LWW it doesn't work out like that. The White Witch is not human at all - not "Daughter of Adam" or "Daughter of Eve."
(pg. 77, LWW) "...But she's no Daughter of Eve. She comes of your father Adam's --" (here Mr. beaver bowed) "your father Adam's first wife, her they called Lilith. And she was one of the Jinn. That's what she comes from on one side. And on the other she comes of giants. No, no, there isn't a drop of real Human blood in the Witch."
In LLW, then, Lilith is identified as a demon, not a human. The White Witch is descended from a demon and a giant; the point is that she looks human, and tries to trade on that, but she is not.
For C.S. Lewis in the Chronicles, "Daughter of Eve" meant human girl, "Son of Adam" meant human boy. Both were titles of royalty. For Lewis, the Biblical allusion was meant to invoke both original blessing and original sin, and applied equally to the boys and the girls. (from pg. 211-12, PC) "I do indeed, Sir," said Caspian. "I was wishing that I came of a more honourable lineage." "You come of the Lord Adam and the Lady Eve," said Aslan. "And that is both honour enough to erect the head of the poorest beggar, and shame enough to bow the shoulders of the greatest emperor in earth. Be content."
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And Lewis does go there, the White Witch was a daughter of Adam by his first wife, Lilith, on her mother's side, IIRC, at least in LWW, if not in her Charn incarnation in the retcon in tMN.
I think the address would provide a triangulation point for a culture. You'd need the others to know what it was doing precisely, but it would certainly imply a raftload of things about religion, gender issues, gender inheritance customs...
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Okay, yes, good point, I was forgetting that about the White Witch's spurious claim as a Daughter of Adam.
There's something weird in there somewhere about why being a Daughter of Adam (the White Witch) is bad and being a Son of Adam (Peter, Edmund) is good, but I have a head cold and feel dreadful and can't articulate it.
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Actually, in LWW it doesn't work out like that. The White Witch is not human at all - not "Daughter of Adam" or "Daughter of Eve."
(pg. 77, LWW)
"...But she's no Daughter of Eve. She comes of your father Adam's --" (here Mr. beaver bowed) "your father Adam's first wife, her they called Lilith. And she was one of the Jinn. That's what she comes from on one side. And on the other she comes of giants. No, no, there isn't a drop of real Human blood in the Witch."
In LLW, then, Lilith is identified as a demon, not a human. The White Witch is descended from a demon and a giant; the point is that she looks human, and tries to trade on that, but she is not.
For C.S. Lewis in the Chronicles, "Daughter of Eve" meant human girl, "Son of Adam" meant human boy. Both were titles of royalty. For Lewis, the Biblical allusion was meant to invoke both original blessing and original sin, and applied equally to the boys and the girls. (from pg. 211-12, PC) "I do indeed, Sir," said Caspian. "I was wishing that I came of a more honourable lineage." "You come of the Lord Adam and the Lady Eve," said Aslan. "And that is both honour enough to erect the head of the poorest beggar, and shame enough to bow the shoulders of the greatest emperor in earth. Be content."