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([personal profile] redbird Jul. 26th, 2003 06:38 pm)
Some days, gender literally hurts. It's not that I want to be a man, physically or culturally. It's that there's something wrong with there being a gender whose members consider it entirely proper to pluck each others' facial hair out, because they aren't supposed to have any in the first place. Yes, I knew, abstractly, that this happened--but that's different from having my friendly, competent hairstylist convince me to let her assistant do this to my face. Denise--that's the hairstylist--after doing a good job on my hair, sold me on this process, something called "threading", claiming that it would look good for job interview, and that it wouldn't hurt much or take long. One out of three, I hope. It took a lot more than ten minutes, and hurt quite a bit more than I expected.

Once I agreed to try this, Marina-who-removes-hair wanted to do my eyebrows, too. I said no: "I like my eyebrows. They're good eyebrows." (If there's one good thing about this, it's that I've realized, consciously, that I like my eyebrows, and not just for [livejournal.com profile] cattitude to nibble on while talking about anchovies.) "Threading", in case anyone offers to do it to you, involves looping thread around hairs and yanking them out, sort of a wholesale version of tweezing. After doing this for quite some time, Marina admitted that it wasn't succeeding, and suggested using wax and then thread to get any remaining bits: she could see how much I was in pain, and it was bothering her. I wasn't up to arguing. The wax, indeed, hurt less than the thread had--the selling point of the process, in the first place, had been that it wouldn't hurt as much as waxing. And both Denise and Marina were surprised when, told that, I said I'd never had my hair waxed. Okay, now I have. If this is some kind of rite of passage, please give me my certificate so I don't have to do it over. Ever.

So I got through that, and I think Marina expects me to have her do it again: as I was wincing and demanding breaks every minute or less, she kept urging me not to shave, because, she said, the hair will come in thicker and be harder to pull out. This is, frankly, about as relevant to my life as the current list of pretenders to the French throne. Last time I was in there, she tried to sell me threading on the grounds that shaving was a male thing. Gender. Feh. As far as I can tell, the common factor in "feminine" methods of hair removal is that they hurt even when done right.

Also, my face was red and tender for a couple of hours afterward: there's not much point in having soft smooth skin if being touched on it hurts. Even after it was otherwise improved, yawning was painful.

I soothed my spirit, if not my skin, with duck and sweet ginger at Excellent Dumpling, then came home and Cattitude provided tea and sympathy.

It's almost six hours later, and my chin still hurts just sitting here at the computer, typing and drinking tea, not even touching it.

Oh, before all that, I went to the gym.

(I was a little short on time, which meant a shorter cardio, and a couple of Xpressline machines at the end instead of multiple sets using other equipment.)

Cardio, 25 minutes, top heart rate 150
Calf machine, 30 pounds, 3 sets of 15
Bench press, 60 pounds, 3 sets of 10 (I'd gotten tired of pushing for 14 reps at 50 pounds, so threw on an extra 10 just to see, and it worked.)
Seated leg curl, 85 pounds, 2 sets of 15; 80 pounds, 15
Tricep curl, 40 pounds, 2 sets of 15; 35 pounds, 15
Reverse wrist curl, 15 pounds, 3 sets of 15
Back arch with (55 cm) physio ball, 3 sets of 16
Lat pulldown, 70 pounds, 2 sets of 12
Bicep curl machine, 35 pounds, 10
Stretches

From: [identity profile] pantryslut.livejournal.com


Except that elise's poem (and Mae West) reminds us that it's an act and a conscious choice, not the default option for women.

Apparently, many hairdressers do not.

From: [identity profile] papersky.livejournal.com


I'm not saying it's not just fine as a conscious choice, I'm saying defining people into either that or men, real or ersatz, bothers me a lot. The rest of the space for people to exist in isn't "butch".

From: [identity profile] pantryslut.livejournal.com


I didn't mean to imply that you were. I was trying to draw attention to the fact that the hairdressers seem to be doing more than defining restrictive conceptual categories -- they're enforcing that notion rather more than the usual suspect. And without asking first (without allowing that it's a choice -- and I suspect that "ersatz man" isn't a choice on their radar either, fwiw). That's all.

From: [identity profile] pantryslut.livejournal.com


Yes, I am fascinated (and if I'd had my chin threaded, I'd probably be furious) by the notion that it's not just hair removal patterns that are gendered, but hair removal techniques. I kinda knew this (and some girls I know get a kick out of shaving their faces because it's male-identified), but it's still odd.

As for the issue with jobs and appearance -- I have a bad job interview experience in my past that relates to these issues, but I'd prefer not to share the details in public, because it was an odd situation and there were other factors going on as well. But let's just say that it's quite probable I was passed up for promotion once because of my appearance. (But not because I did or didn't shave/pluck/Nair/etc. my chin.)

But I wouldn't go so far as to say *nobody* is going to care about your skills. Otherwise, girls with hair on their chin would never get employed, eh?



From: [identity profile] trinker.livejournal.com


But it's not universally gendered.

Japanese women get their facial hair shaved when they go to the salon.

From: [identity profile] maryread.livejournal.com

Hair removal


We could go on about this all night. I am just back in town from the wilds of Ohio, and the church ladies social, and the calligraphic arts world where I have been painting on bodies again. But I thot I'd say hi. This strikes me as local anthropology. In a culture that wonders about tattoos, I have to wonder what exactly is the issue other than aesthetics.

FWIW, I rather like waxing my brows. Feels good. Believe it or don't. And then if I really pare them down they look so elegant. My hair guy (who knows about this stuff, the aesthetician) has got me onto this again after years of letting it slide. Upper lip is another matter. Very painful, and whatever ointment of tea tree or magical topical aenesthetic we have on hand for application after the sudden event is a fine thing indeed. I found some kind of similar preparation at the drugstore, sugar based maybe on little cellophane application strips, with magical ointment after, that works fine. Then the legs I treat regularly in season with either the razor or the Nair, which takes longer but leaves them rather softer and silkier. Not that anyone knows. Sometimes I let it all go for months on end. But I have just been hanging with women who have big hair! painting cuffs on my roommates! so it is all up for grabs.

I have discussed the whole matter with Mr S who is only technologically interested in the prospect of depilating his face, which grows pale, but thick. Razor is clearly the least daily damage. One must present the proper social appearance, and the kid can still make do with an electric shaver. I had one once.
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