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Redbird ([personal profile] redbird) wrote2005-01-27 10:26 am

Denial

When I spoke to my mother last week, I mentioned (among many other things) that when I want to see [livejournal.com profile] papersky, [livejournal.com profile] rysmiel, and [livejournal.com profile] zorinth, I have to visit Montreal, because they don't feel safe coming to the United States to visit me.

Mom asked why, and I explained. This involved me giving a three-sentence summary of what happened to Maher Arar. Her response was that they had nothing to worry about because "They don't look Arab."

Right. I'm sure that's a great reassurance to them.

[identity profile] papersky.livejournal.com 2005-01-27 07:38 am (UTC)(link)
Like I say, being white is really similar to having civil rights...
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[personal profile] erik 2005-01-27 07:40 am (UTC)(link)
Well of course. The innocent have nothing to fear!

[identity profile] filkerdave.livejournal.com 2005-01-27 07:41 am (UTC)(link)
Your link isn't proper, BTW. I'm guessing that you left off the closing tag.

[identity profile] cakmpls.livejournal.com 2005-01-27 07:54 am (UTC)(link)
Did you read my account of the experience my son, his friend, and the friend's elderly auntie and uncle had when they were going to Vietnam? I'm quite sure that it wouldn't have happened if they had been white. (Not the TSA people aren't ever asses toward white people; they are. But in the context of the situation, I'm pretty sure this had to do with their being Asian.) It made me really worried about what might happen when my son and his friend (both U.S. citizens) came back into the country, but that went smoothly.

[identity profile] the-gardener.livejournal.com 2005-01-27 08:18 am (UTC)(link)
I hadn't heard of the Arar case before now, and was interested to read about it -- although my gorge rose and rose as I did so.

The circumstantial evidence of Canadian complicity in (and cover-up of) his US detention and deportation is so obvious that if I was Arar I would seriously consider emigrating to another part of the English-speaking world.

[identity profile] stakebait.livejournal.com 2005-01-27 09:13 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, lord. I'm not saying white privilege doesn't exist, but it's a poor and unreliable substitute for actual rights even if we set aside queasy ethical qualms about benefiting from a double standard. If people fail to give you your rights, you have recourse.

[identity profile] wild-patience.livejournal.com 2005-01-27 09:41 am (UTC)(link)
The picture of the man in the article bears a striking resemblance to my own sweetie -- the eyes are different but otherwise they share a lot of similiarities.

Too many foolish, scared people are lumping in all people of Middle-Eastern descent together, not caring if they're Arab or Jew, Muslim, Christian, or other. A bearded guy with swarthy skin is apparently the new Ming the Merciless.

[identity profile] marykaykare.livejournal.com 2005-01-27 11:04 am (UTC)(link)
Well, I'd have told her that last time [livejournal.com profile] rysmiel entered the US he was, in fact, fingerprinted, photographed, and interrogated. Even if he doesn't look Arab. But I'm awfully snarky and disrespectful to my elders.

MKK
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Re: Denial

[identity profile] pir-anha.livejournal.com 2005-01-27 11:48 am (UTC)(link)
yeah.

this is really tearing me up. the *poing* hates travelling, and i take to it much more easily, but i, too, don't want to go to the US anymore. and i don't look arab either. but, i don't trust the "homeland security" people at all, and being caucasian is just not the same as having civil rights, you know? i am weird in many ways. so a part of me is afraid, and the other part doesn't want to go because i am caucasian, and can't abide that my fellow human beings of swarthier skin are treated like second class people, or worse, are persecuted and abused like maher arar.

[identity profile] calimac.livejournal.com 2005-01-27 07:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Anybody who's that nervous about the US - and I'm not saying they don't have cause to be - Montreal isn't nearly far enough away.

I'm not sure if there is a place that is far enough away.

I keep thinking of the Jewish family with the foresight to get out of Germany immediately in 1933. They went to Amsterdam, which seemed like a safe enough thing to do. Their name was Frank.
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[identity profile] elusis.livejournal.com 2005-01-27 10:34 pm (UTC)(link)
I will admit that this post, and other comments of a similar nature elsewhere, aggravate me.

Because while I understand wariness of US Customs - let's remember, I went through having my fiancee ripped out of my arms, slapped in a jail cell, and shipped back to the UK only to nearly kill himself with grief and depression over the next 6 months until we could finally get him here properly - the angst I'm hearing from white people over how worried they are about current entrance visa procetures really smacks of a kind of co-opting of oppression that actually belongs to people of color. And I don't like it.

I also admit that I get angry in part because a lover promised to come and visit me (with no prompting from me) and then started backpedaling, and one of the excuses he used was not wanting to be fingerprinted etc. at the border. I'd have gladly given up fingerprints, blood samples, hair samples, and a body cavity search if need be in order to be with him again. Which is not the same as agreeing with the policy.

This comment will probably make me wildly unpopular.